Former Fundies With Truth Issues

A grim-faced Benjamin Corey, known also as Formerly Fundie, sternly lectures us Bible worshiping Fundamentalists who take God’s Word too seriously,

John MacArthur on Having Gay Children: Alienate Them & Turn Them Over to Satan

The post is a cathartic rant against this video over at the GTY blog:

I guess now that Corey has liberated himself from the ironclad bars of Fundamentalism, he no longer feels obligated to be honest with the facts. Particularly if the facts wreck the fantasy mythos of his previous Fundamentalist dark ages.

Go back and watch that video. Corey’s post is so wildly dishonest as to what John said, a person has to seriously wonder if he ever really watched it at all or if he is intentionally lying and banking on the hope that none of his readers will care enough to make the effort to go watch for themselves and complain against his falsehoods.

Corey writes,

John MacArthur was recently asked by a reader how they should respond to an adult child who has acknowledged they are gay. His parenting advice?

Alienate them.

Separate them.

Isolate them.

Refuse to have a meal with them.

Turn them over to Satan.

That is not at all what John stated. John differentiated between two types of individuals: Those who are professed believers who claim to be gay and those who are not believers who claim to be gay. Corey ignores those distinct categories so he can make John out to be a Fred Phelps bigot.

However, John clearly explained that if a child (keep in mind, an adult child; not an 8 year old whose parents abuse him by forcing him to go to a cross-dressing camp) who professes Jesus as Lord and Savior, but claims also to be a homosexual, is to be treated according to the commands of 1 Corinthians 5:1-11. Yep. I know. Those hard sayings in the Bible that I guess rub Corey the wrong way so badly that the only options we have is to either reinterpret them or ignore them all together; or maybe take the Bart Ehrman approach and pretend Paul never really wrote 1 Corinthians.

But as is typical of Ex-Fundamentalist bloggers congregating over at the Pathos webhub these days, along with selective video editing, Corey also lacks reading comprehension skills, especially when it makes his Fundamentalist target look like an unsophisticated moron.

He writes,

One of the key passages folks use to support shunning comes from 1 Corinthians 5– the unfortunate truth, however, is that Paul lists several sins he thought were shun-worthy. Folks like MacArthur have lifted sexual immorality out of that passage while completely ignoring the rest of what Paul taught.

No. John has not “lifted” anything out of context. The point of Paul’s admonition in 1 Corinthians 5 is to address a sexual fornicator who was brazenly participating in the fellowship of the Corinthian church who claimed to be a believer. The fact that this guy claimed a relationship with Jesus Christ yet participated in fornication is the problem and the case for him being removed from the fellowship. I thought former fundies  and survivor types were all up in arms against sexual abuse, but I digress.

Additionally, Corey writes,

Because it would be horribly inconvenient to actually practice this verse. In it, Paul teaches that we are to have nothing to do with Christians who are… greedy.

Which in America, is a whole lot of us. I wonder if MacArthur would also suggest you shun an adult child who makes $200,000 a year but doesn’t tithe or give any of their money to charity? Somehow, I doubt it.

Really? I doubt this guy has done any serious study of that passage. Heck. Why should he? He doesn’t believe the Bible is inspired anyways, so why waste your time on any meaningful Bible study?

But for those who truly want to know, the idea of greedy isn’t someone who happens to be wealthy and doesn’t give his money to charity. The word has to do with extortioners or racketeers who take advantage of the needy so as to enrich themselves. The rich Republican guy (as we play into Corey’s stereotype) who earns his money honestly but doesn’t give to charity is nowhere in view. It has more to do with con-artist hustlers who prey on the disadvantaged for their own gain. More like environmentalists or the Health and Wealth crowd than anything else.

Moving along,

I wonder if MacArthur would teach that we should isolate, alienate, and turn over to Satan our children who struggle with over-eating? That can be a form of greed because it is taking more than you need.

I include this only to show how embarrassing Corey’s argumentation is. If he thinks overeating is equivalent to the greed Paul is addressing he disqualifies himself as a serious commentator on Christianity. He should be ignored.

Or, what about the idolators mentioned in that same passage? I know a boat load of Christians who are trusting in firearms for their safety instead of God– which is idolatry. According to Paul, they should be shunned as well.

Ah yes. Gotta work that anti-gun smear in there somehow. Again, the idolatry that Paul is addressing is religious idolatry. It is the worship of false gods, or the application or practice of false doctrine in the manner that it creates its own pseudo-Christian, religious worldview. The kind of idolaters who openly lie against those they oppose and who compromise with the pagan element of the culture that warmly embraces and gives affirmation to sexually deviant behavior. Say like, homosexuality.

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4 thoughts on “Former Fundies With Truth Issues

  1. Sounds like this guy hasn’t a clue how (or desire) to make a sound argument. I doubt he can even understand the irony (which you cleverly displayed at the end of your post) of his pointing to idolatry as a sin issue that requires separation.

  2. I’m not sure which is more humorous, the guy’s wildly inaccurate description of MacArthur’s video or his exegesis of 1 Cor 5.

    You don’t really make this point, by we aren’t talking about simple fornication. It says a man has his father’s wife. It sounds like adultery of the worse kind. Then Paul goes on to list the most vile sins. That’s where your point about the type of greed Paul is referring to comes in.

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