From the Hip&Thigh Archives
So. In order to prevent folks from thinking Christian doctrine is only believed by hicks and I cannot offer good answers to those statements in my last post, see HERE, I will respond to each of them in turn. The original comments will be in Blue Bold.
To believe your bible in any translation(or original manuscripts) is inerrant & god breathed, here is what you must believe.
#1.A snake can talk remember the snake was cursed to crawl on it’s belly & eat dust.
#2.A donkey can talk.
#9.You have to believe god made the sun stand still when it already stands still or believe god stopped the rotation of the earth which anyone should know would be a disaster in many ways for earth.
#10.You have to believe Lot’s wife turned into a pillar of salt which is unbelievable.
I took those statements out of sequence because they specifically deal with miraculous interventions and extraordinary acts of providence by God.
Biblio-skeptics tend to ignore the fact that the Bible presupposes the existence of God who has directly intervened in human history past. Because the writers of the Bible treat their writing as a historical record of God’s divine dealings with humanity, particularly God’s redeemed people, I would only expect to read about extraordinary acts of God.
In fact, if the Bible claimed to be a book recording the revelation of the divine, Sovereign Creator, yet contained no record of miraculous works by that Creator in order to establish His divinity, then wouldn’t it raise suspicion in the minds of its critics? Yet, my antagonist would just as easily hammer that point as a means of mockery.
The Bible claims to be a supernatural book with its source being from the mind of our Creator. I expect it to tell of supernatural events. Why is that hard to believe unless you are unwilling to submit to the Creator who produced those supernatural events?
Looking at each point in turn.
#1 – First off, the Bible says it was a serpent. The text is unclear as to what sort of animal that was. The idea of a snake is from the modern day and my antagonist is reading the concept of a modern day python back onto the text. Second, the serpent was satanically controlled. Third, it was cursed AFTER it talked, not before. And fourth, this was an unique, one time event never to be repeated.
#2 – Similar points apply with Balaam’s donkey as with the snake. The Angel of the LORD (who I believe to be Jesus appearing preincarnate) was present when the donkey talked, even giving it the ability to rebuke Balaam.
#9 – Again, similar points apply as with #1 and #2. This was a one time event of extraordinary providence. If our Creator can create His world, He certainly can protect it from disaster when He reveals Himself in a miraculous, cosmological display, so as to deliver His people and bring a crushing blow against their enemies.
#10 – Again, similar points apply here as with the previous three. There were supernatural events that took place in the historical past which show forth God’s character as revealed in judgment, wrath, and even mercy.
Additionally, the description being recorded here may be a metaphorical description explaining how Lot’s wife was merely destroyed in the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah because she tarried behind Lot. The text is not clear how far behind she may had been. Because she refused to take seriously the warnings of judgment delivered by the angels, she was overcome in the cities’ destruction.
#3.That man was so stupid back then that he actually thought he could build a tower to heaven.
Nothing in the text suggests they were building a physical tower that was intended to go into heaven, as in allowing people to ascend into the atmosphere and beyond. The text says the people acted as one in rebellion to what God had commanded when he told humanity after the flood to spread over the earth.
Instead, they worked together to build a great city with a tower with its top in the heavens. Basically a grand skyscraper probably constructed for the worship of false gods. There is nothing stupid about this given the fact the similar relics of ancient societies still exist today like the pyramids and ziggurats.
#4.You have to believe against any logical thinking that all those animals,incl,snakes & all different kinds of insects and enough food to feed all of them(different kinds of food)for almost one year would fit on an ark that size,which is impossible.
#5.You have to believe there was food for them to eat when they came off the ark even though the whole earth was supposedly covered in water.
The subject of the ark’s dynamics and physical feasibility to accomplish what it did according to the biblical record of Genesis 6-8 is vast. There have been countless studies done and papers/books written demonstrating that the ark could carry all the animal kinds (not the entire species we see today), as well as enough food to feed them for a year. The statement is made from a position of scholarly ignorance by a person who is a Christian bigot.
Answers in Genesis also lists a plethora of articles detailing the physical reality of Noah’s global flood and the feasibility of the ark. Of course, the skeptic automatically dismisses anything AiG says, because they claim they are biased, stupid, or whatever. That’s how an atheist shores up his ignorance, by automatically poisoning anything his critics and opponents write. So much for free thinking and doing your homework and all.
#6.You have to believe in a flat earth because these supposedly inspired by god people said so back then.
Nothing in the biblical record suggest the earth is flat. No one claimed as much or believed it. That is anti-biblical urban myth.
#7.You have to believe the earth is 6 to 10,000 years old despite overwhelming proof it is much,much older,even if not 4.5 billion years old.
And what exactly is that overwhelming proof? The variety of radioactive dating methods are wildly inconsistent with each other when tested on just one sample. Moreover, dating methods are subject to speculative interpretations, interpretations that are driven by particular presuppositions.
Again, AiG has a list of technical articles dealing with the issue, but remember, most skeptics refuse to interact with the data and information, but instead choose to attack ad hominem straw men versions of their critics whom they do not respect.
#8.You have to believe all those heavenly bodies out there that they are still finding were created in one literal day(morning & evening)that is despite the fact that even now they are finding suns,stars just now begining [sic] to form.
Usually the person who makes statements invoking the authority of modern day evolutionary cosmology are generally ignorant of the problems inherent to modern day evolutionary cosmology. He is also blissfully unaware of the in-fighting that exists between various proponents of various theories and models that are dreamed up to help explain away those problems.
For example, note the contradiction in his original statement. In #7 he speaks about the earth being 4.5 billion years old. The so-called billions of light years (a “light year” being a measure of distance, not time, by the way) are considered one of the reasons we believe in an old universe. However, in #8, it is suggested one solar day is way too short a time for suns and stars to form, especially now that we are finding stars just now beginning to form. OK, how exactly would we see their light if they are just now beginning to form?
Discover magazine did an article on the youthful galaxies located by the Galex telescope that are 2 to 4 billion light years from earth, but began forming just 1 billion light years ago according to the telescope observations. In the March 2006 issue, a thoughtful reader wrote a letter to the editor expressing curiosity as to how we could even see their light? He writes,
“If the youthful galaxies located by the Galex telescope are 2 billion to 4 billion light-years from Earth but started forming less than 1 billion years ago, how can they be observed at all?”
In other words, it should have taken the light from those 1-billion-year-old galaxies 2 to 4 billion years to reach us. The editors at Discover responded thus:
Your question cuts right to one of the trickiest problems in cosmology: how to refer to the timing of events when there are many different ways to describe them. The conventional solution is to describe everything from the way we perceive it. In this case, that means that when we say that the galaxies started forming less than a billion years ago, we mean that the galaxies AS WE SEE THEM TODAY appear to have started forming less than a billion years ago. Put another way, when their light started heading toward Earth 2 billion to 4 billion years ago, these objects were less than a billion years old. That convention may seem confusing, but the alternatives are even more puzzling. For instance, it would be more comprehensive to say that these galaxies, located 2 billion to 4 billion light-years from Earth, appear to have begun forming less than 3 billion to 5 billion years ago, and then their light spent 2 billion to 4 billion years traveling toward us. More comprehensive, yes, but even harder to follow!
In other words, its a mystery that doesn’t fit into the prescribe view of evolutionary cosmologists.
#11.You have to believe Lot had intercourse with 2 of his daughters on 2 different nights and knew it not.
That comment is strange. The text clearly states he was drunk out of his mind and unaware of what happened. Why is that hard to believe? Such things happen in Las Vegas all the time between total strangers.
#12.You have to believe Jesus was concieved [sic] without human intercourse this despite the fact that at least 20 other dying & resurrecting savior sun gods had this claimed of them long,long before the supposed time of Jesus,you claim them a myth but the same tale about Jesus true.
That comment is a woefully ignorant exaggeration of historical fact. In all of my private email interchanges with my antagonist, he always returned to cut-and-pasted articles from non-scholarly, atheistic websites that try desperately to tie Jesus to some ancient myth.
Mithra is the favorite these days. J.P. Holding of Tektonics has done some extensive research debunking these claims, even interacting with the world’s literary experts on these various myths who also deny the connection between the alleged myth and the historical Jesus.
However, just like he rejects AiG out of hand, my antagonist also rejects J.P. Holding because, a) “J.P.” still goes by the alias he gave himself for security reasons when he worked with hardcore criminals in the state penitentiary where he was employed, and b) he was too mean and direct with my emailer when he was hassling him. Once again, such self-imposed blindness only reveals a heart angry at the God of scripture and who truly doesn’t care for the truth.
So there you have it. I responded to each one of his charges and none of them disprove the inerrancy of the Bible. All we have are baseless charges just like they were asked decades ago, but have once again been proven wrong.