If you run in my social media circles, you know that Sunday, August 16th, a self-appoint, spiritual narcissist, by the name of John O’Neill, jumped up on the platform at Grace Community Church when John MacArthur was greeting the congregation and telling about his summer. I was so totally bummed that I was out of town and had to miss it.
Once he got on the platform, the prophetic crusader loudly shouted for John MacArthur to repent from his cessationist views. He himself was proof that cessationism is heresy, because He was a living prophet of God! or some such nonsense before security dragged him away.
Now we are in LA. We have our share of wack-a-doodles visiting our church. There are epic stories. From the guy brandishing a spear in John’s office to Mark Driscoll crashing a conference. There has always been times when folks are protesting out in front of our church, or wandering about the campus causing scenes in a Sunday school class, and on occasion, attempting to commandeer the pulpit. So the stunt our prophet crank pulled isn’t too unusual.
However, in our day and age, when lone wackos have shot people, including members of a church, what O’Neill did sort of put folks on edge. Being clad all in black and wearing a backpack also didn’t help convey his prophetic message to the congregation, either. Hence the reason there was all this nervous laughing from the audience after John made a crack about Scotland with an attempt to ease the tension in the worship center. His stunt displayed an woeful lack of self-awareness and overall discernment.
In spite of what really amounted to an embarrassingly stupid thing to do, in the last week or so, there have been genuine people defending this guy, likening him to a 21st century version of Jeremiah crying out against the religious establishment.
The first odd ball article came from a confused woman who praised the faux prophet for doing what he did and even suggesting it was the only way someone as big time as MacArthur could ever hear the truth about his heretical views of cessationism.
I say confused and odd ball, because last year the same lady rebuked the Mars Hill/Mark Driscoll protesters as ones disobeying the Word of God for attacking a pastor. They needed to heed Scripture’s admonition to touch not the Lord’s anointed. Disconnection much.
Then, Michael Brown chimed in with an editorial for Charisma News Online that wondered if God really sent a prophet to John MacArthur to tell him the truth and confront him for his divisive rhetoric against charismatics.
It’s amazingly unbelievable. But par for the course from charismatic lunacy that masquerades as “filled with the spirit.”
I happen to personally know John O’Neill wasn’t a prophet, because God’s prophets do not lie or misrepresent their true intentions and that is exactly what he did.
You see, I met him back in early June and had an extended conversation with him.
It was on a Sunday evening. The children’s ministries were hosting a plaza fellowship for the families of Grace Church. My wife and I were popping popcorn when he came strolling along with his backpack. We started chatting and immediately recognized he was Scottish. I asked if he was here to go to seminary. He said no; but that he was an open air preacher who had come to LA to evangelize. I asked if he knew about our church. He said yes he did, and get this, he told me HE LIKED JOHN MACARTHUR AND APPRECIATED HIS MINISTRY!
What was that? Yep, he emphatically stated he liked our pastor and his preaching ministry.
We spoke for nearly 30 minutes. Though I got weird vibes off him because he talked about God calling or telling him thus and such, never once did he mention anything about cessationism or that John was teaching heresy for saying the apostolic sign gifts had ceased.
In fact, he hung around Grace Church for the summer attending on Sundays. A lot of friends also met him and they never once had a conversation with him about cessationism or the sign gifts. Tony Miano, who does real street preaching, also went on visitation with him. He also didn’t hear any negatives against MacArthur when they were together.
But then on the 16th, when John returns from his summer sabbatical, he jumps up on stage and goes unhinged.
The guy was a deceptive liar, especially if he believed John MacArthur taught heresy. There are no double-minded prophets. A true prophet of God doesn’t ingratiate himself to a friendly church, telling everyone he likes the pastor in order to wait like a Trojan Horse that opens up to spring a trap. That is a lying spirit that does such things.
My take. I think he miscalculated his visit. He wasn’t expecting John to be gone so long during the summer. From what I understand, O’Neill’s visa ended the Tuesday following, so he barely made it.
Whatever the case, I know one thing for sure out of all this. John Oneill’s enabling cheerleaders again displays how sober-minded discernment is totally absent within charismatic circles. Makes me wonder if God has given them over to a deceiving spirit.
hipandthigh 
WOW! Seems like JM better start wearing a bullet proof vest under his suit!
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In our day, when violent outbursts in public places like churches seems to be a “thing” I can certainly understand the nervous (and I’m sure relieved as well) laughter when security took this man away. A very foolish and irresponsible thing to do.
There is no such thing as ‘moderate continuationists/moderate charismatics”. This ‘deceving spirit’ of continuationism is false doctrine. The wretched uproar about it reveals what ‘spirit’ is behind it and it is not of the Lord Jesus nor is this found in His Word.
Interestingly, most everyone in Evangelicalism now consider cessationism to be a matter of personal opinion and that those who hold do to Charismaticism just have a different view. It’s time to realize that if Scripture teaches that the “sign gifts” have ceased, and that when in operation in the beginning they were done only by the apostles or one or two close associates in a limited, historic time period, then we should emphatically proclaim the Charismatic movement and it’s sister movements (Pentecostalism, Word of Faith, and New Apostolic Reformation) to be entirely sinful, unfaithful to the Word, and of an unholy spirit. The entire movement and it’s cheerleaders are to be rejected unless they repent.
2Co 11:4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
Too much time, “grace”, and tolerance for such blasphemous error has been given. A little leaven is dangerous according to Scripture. This “prophet” proved the point that Charismatics do indeed divide on these fundamental issues of gifts. If Sola Scriptura is biblical truth, then any other claim, like ongoing revelation/dreams/prophecies/visions is anti-biblical and sinful, as well as an attack on the Scripture and it’s authority. It is man-centered and fleshly, not Christ-centered or Christ-honoring. The spirit behind such doctrines and practices should be taken seriously and the promoters of Charismaticism in any of it’s forms, rejected because they are also putting up so beautifully with an unholy spirit.
Is it possible that O’neill did appreciate John’s ministry at first and then woke up to the fact of JM’s teaching about cessationism? You are too quick in my opinion to put your own spin on the story i.e. He was planning this from the beginning and lied to cover up. Maybe he didn’t know about JM’s false teaching at first.
Or perhaps he knew about it but the Lord hadn’t shown him the seriousness of it? I think you are too quick to judge. But I could be wrong
well said!
I really don’t like to see people with a hair trigger when it comes to accusations and name-calling. You have given no evidence at all that the man was a liar. There are plenty of people who like a lot of John MacArthur’s teaching who don’t like his unbiblical teaching when it comes to spiritual gifts. This guy may well have found JM to be very likeable and liked much of his teaching, and jumped up to share that message because he believed God gave him the message, not because he did not like JM. If you disagree with what he did, then you disagree. But you have no basis for saying he was lying about whether he liked JM.
I thought it was strange that JM quoted ‘And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets’ to argue that the man wasn’t a prophet.
I Corinthians 14
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
In one of JM’s sermons on his website, he says that he prophesies on Sundays. If that is the case, why didn’t JM exercise the principle ‘and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets’ by letting the other man prophesy. He did, probably more out of shock to see what was going on.
This is in THE chapter that tells us the Biblical order for the ministry of the word in church. There is not talk of pastors preaching sermons. But there are instructions on how the church is to allow prophesying to occur. I suspect if someone popped up with a prophecy like this man did in a first century church where the apostles were present, whoever was speaking would have been silent and the congregation would have listened. Many churches today allow for prophecies during the meeting. I haven’t seen it in person during a sermon or announcements. But we need to remember the tradition of having one long sermon and the idea coughing during the sermon is a near sin are post-Reformation church traditions, not the teaching of scripture. “Let everything be done decently and in order” is about God’s order, about the ‘commandments of the Lord’ for church meetings. Those are instructions about how ‘every one of you’ may sing or speak in church, how tongues are to be interpreted, and the turn-taking method for prophesying in the chapter.
As far as spiritual gifts go, JM doesn’t really have a Biblical basis for rejecting these spiritual gifts as being for today. What scripture was presented in his Strange Fire conference? The one that was most relevant and probably most repeated was a passage from II Timothy 3, and it seems like speakers may have had dyslexia, thinking the verse said that ‘scripture is all that is given… that the man of God may be fully equipped.’ It doesn’t say that. It seems like the whole theology is based on the logical error of affirming the consequent when reading that verse.
Also, we don’t say, “The man of God does not need love because he has the Bible.” Why? Because we open the Bible and see that we need love. We don’t say, “The man of God doesn’t need grace, because we have the Bible.” Why? Because we read the Bible and see that we need grace. Why would cessationists read the same passage and conclude that we don’t need spiritual gifts when I Corinthians 12 teaches us that one gifted member of the body should not say to a differently gifted member, “I have no need of thee.”
The main argument from JM seemed to be based on putting something external to scripture on a higher level than scripture. Scripture tells us that these gifts like prophecy are given ‘as the Spirit wills’. But JM and others at the conference considered operating in the gift of prophecy to be against their ‘doctrine of scripture.’ Their doctrine of scripture when it comes to this issue isn’t written in the Bible. It’s just axiomatically taken as true. Scripture trumps man’s ‘doctrine of scripture.’ We shouldn’t reject I Corinthians 12, I Corinthians 14, or I Thessalonians 5 based on a confession or church doctrinal statement.
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There is absolutely NO sound scriptural proof that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the giftings and miracles of the Holy Spirit CEASED in the first century. google: “miraculous testimony of Smith Wigglesworth” for starters.
Jacob writes,
Is it possible that O’neill did appreciate John’s ministry at first and then woke up to the fact of JM’s teaching about cessationism? You are too quick in my opinion to put your own spin on the story i.e. He was planning this from the beginning and lied to cover up. Maybe he didn’t know about JM’s false teaching at first.
If that is the case, than it is even more confirmed that he isn’t a prophet and that he further misrepresented himself. Again, not sure what you think I am saying when I wrote, “he emphatically stated he liked our pastor…” He told me that he listened to John in Scotland. In other words, he knew who John was. You cannot possible have a familiarity with John and not know his stance on spiritual gifts. In fact, it was his teaching on the charismatics that drew me to his pulpit ministry.
Now perhaps he didn’t. How then is he a prophet? Before he pulled his stunt, as he was “discovering” what it was GCC teaches, it didn’t occur to him to ask the people he was hanging out with? I mean, he was around our church for a couple of months. Numerous people spoke with him. He discovers GCC believes in the cessation of the apostolic charismata, and he didn’t ask people why? He just kept it bottled up until it just so happened to be the very Sunday John was officially back in the pulpit? Really?
Link writes,
I really don’t like to see people with a hair trigger when it comes to accusations and name-calling. You have given no evidence at all that the man was a liar.
I’m taking it that you are Link Hudson who trolls over at Cripplegate on occasion and Phil’s FB page? What evidence would convince you? He told me to my face he liked John. Listened to his preaching. If he believes John teaches heresy, then he is double-minded. He is deceiving me, because in his heart, he knows John is a false teacher, yet here he is telling me and my wife he likes our pastor and appreciates him. I believe Rick Warren is a false teacher. I neither like him nor would I tell people I appreciate and listen to his teaching, because I don’t, because he is a false teacher.
If you disagree with what he did, then you disagree. But you have no basis for saying he was lying about whether he liked JM.
He was here at our church for nearly 2 months. Talked with and fellowshipped with scores of members of our church. Never once did he bring this issue up. That is deception. It also proves he isn’t a prophet or he would have known.
I thought it was strange that JM quoted ‘And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets’ to argue that the man wasn’t a prophet.
Yes. Because he wasn’t a prophet. There are no biblical prophets receiving fresh revelation from God. It’s in his head. Maybe demonic.
In one of JM’s sermons on his website, he says that he prophesies on Sundays. If that is the case, why didn’t JM exercise the principle ‘and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets’ by letting the other man prophesy. He did, probably more out of shock to see what was going on.
John equates prophecy with proclaiming the written word, what is inscripturated prophecy. Hence, what John does on Sunday is prophesy in the sense that he proclaims inscripturated revelation. What this guy claimed was some fresh revelation from God as to what he thought the god man in his head was telling him to say. Seeing there are no prophets in existence today because there need ended by the end of the first century, it would be pointless to have engaged him.
I suspect if someone popped up with a prophecy like this man did in a first century church where the apostles were present, whoever was speaking would have been silent and the congregation would have listened.
They may have. But that was the first century. Not now.
Many churches today allow for prophecies during the meeting.
Indeed they do, and we get such damnable nonsense as Hillsong, Vineyard fellowships, IHOP, and the New Apostolic Reformation.
As far as spiritual gifts go, JM doesn’t really have a Biblical basis for rejecting these spiritual gifts as being for today.
Yes he does, but it would be pointless in trying to argue with you about it.
What scripture was presented in his Strange Fire conference?
Lots of Scriptures were presented. But I can’t convince you of what you want to reject out of hand.
Why would cessationists read the same passage and conclude that we don’t need spiritual gifts when I Corinthians 12 teaches us that one gifted member of the body should not say to a differently gifted member, “I have no need of thee.”
Why do we need tongues today? What relevance do they play? Biblical tongues, not the pagan ecstatic kind.
Len writes,
There is absolutely NO sound scriptural proof that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the giftings and miracles of the Holy Spirit CEASED in the first century. google: “miraculous testimony of Smith Wigglesworth” for starters.
A few things here. First, no cessationist says the baptism of the holy spirit ceased. A person is baptized in Christ when he or she believes in faith in Christ. A cessationist doesn’t believe the false teaching taught in Pentecostal churches that a Christian receives the holy spirit when he or she is water baptized and speaks in tongues. That is unbiblical and gross error.
A cessationist also believes miracles still happen. But it is God’s doing, not individual gifted people who can lay on hands and heal people.
Smith Wigglesworth was a con-man and a false teacher. You would be wise to reject him.
Thank you so much for your trenchant commentary on this matter. That guy surely was a crackpot and I think we’re going to see a LOT more of that in the near future. God bless you.
One thing for sure if there were prophets today God HSS laid out the means of decerning them, and they wernt even needed on this one. Keep proclaiming truth brother John its working!
Where are all the folks who are calling for Mathew 18 application? This Scottish fellow was out of order and he ignored biblical instructions on how to treat an elder with respect (1 Tim 5:10 among others). His charges were based on his claim of being a prophet not on scripture. I cannot believe people are defending this man’s actions.
The guy was probably out of line; we won’t know for sure til we get there. Yes, charismania appears devoid of discernment but God has a few that haven’t bowed the knee to pink haired TBN; they have discernment & speak in tongues more than ye all. Cessationism may not be heretical just a lack of spiritual senses, sight, hearing, understanding, all gifts that come from the Creator; we cannot hold JM accountable for what he is deficit. The eye cannot say to the foot, “I have no need of thee.” In all this, love of JM & charismaniacs is the greatest of all.
I may be wrong but it seems if this man wanted to he could have met with someone to discuss his concerns in a less public forum. It is also important to remember that in this day and age such public surprises can be very upsetting given the violent episodes we read about.
Sad to see Michael Brown jumping in with an ax to grind.
That’s crazy to think you talked to this guy.
“However, in our day and age, when lone wackos have shot people, including members of a church, what O’Neill did sort of put folks on edge.”<–You have a very good point.
5pointer,
If you don’t like Rick Warren because you disagree with him theologically, that doesn’t mean someone else out there might disagree with Rick Warren, but still like him personally. I know a lot of people I have some differences in in regard to specific beliefs that I like personally. Have you considered that not everyone is like you?
I understand Phil Johnson was displeased that one of the blog/’news’ pages that broke this said the man accused John MacArthur of ‘heresy.’ I didn’t hear him say heresy. Other people, who use the term loosely, said that. But that is putting words in his mouth (based solely on the clip of what he said on church on YouTube.
None of what you said about him fellowshipping with you folks and not discussing theological differences is evidence that he was dishonest. Most Christians don’t air all their theological differences when they start attending a new church.
You can’t know whether he had been planning on doing this in church for a couple of months. He may have actually believed God directed him to do it. He said, “I have been sent to tell you it’s in error.” Does it really make sense that someone would do this out of the motivation of not liking John MacArthur? If you don’t like Rick Warren, does it follow logically that you are going to his church to confront him?
Again, you don’t have any basis for accusing him of lying about who or what he liked based on the fact that he spoke as he did in church. If he did not disclose his theological differences with you, that is no basis for accusing him of lying, either. Just as a matter of good Christian ethics, we shouldn’t be going around accusing others without some sort of basis for it. If a Charismatic claimed to get some sort of revelation that another person did not like him, at least there is some sort of rational basis from his belief system for thinking this is possible. But you are a cessationist, so it isn’t rational for you to pretend to read other people’s hearts and minds as you are doing. You can’t know if the man liked JM or your church based on the video. I’ve been rebuked by people who liked me.
Also, being a slanderer or a railer is a bad thing. If you are wrong about this man’s intentions, or likes, and make accusations, that’s a bad thing. Just as a matter of Christian ethics and following the word of God, I would encourage you to exercise some restraint.
Btw, I am Link Hudson. I posted, probably for a few weeks, in the comments section on Cripplegate, and for a few hours on Phil Johnson’s page. I see that quoting scripture and presenting a clear case from it is now seen as ‘trolling.’ We need to put that in the NewSpeak dictionary. Quoting scripture to disagree with gays is called ‘bashing’ now in the secular media. Presenting scripture while disagreeing with cessationist can be called can be ‘trolling.’
Charismaticism is paganism, plain and simple.
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fivepointer,
I was thinking about your brief response to the point I made that in the first century, if someone had stood up with a prophetic message that the congregation would have listened. Just imagine if a similar same thing had happened in 60 AD. One of the elders in a congregation had taught that the gifts of the Spirit should not operate anymore, and therefore the ‘commandments of the Lord’ Paul gave for church meetings were no longer valid, and instead people should listen to 45 minute sermons. No longer would ‘every one of you’ have a psalm, doctrine, tongue, revelation (I Cor. 14:26. No longer should one speak in tongues and one interpret. No longer may the prophets speak two or three and let the other judge, he says. “For ye may all prophesy one by one…” he argues, is no longer valid. He begins to paint those who believe in spiritual gifts as a false church. Some of followers call those who believe in these gifts adherents of paganism and various other things. He and several others begin to convince the congregation. In my scenario, not all are convinced and not all agree.
A prophet comes from another town and prophesies, right as he begins to speak, that the elder who taught this that he has grieved the Holy Spirit. The prophet says that he has sharpened a sword and they are cutting each other. The elder has ‘ushers’ who he has instructed beforehand who drag him out of the meeting.
If you put the situation in the first century and examine it, you might question whether a prophet should publically rebuke an elder of the church. But then you look at other passages like Nathan and David, and Paul and Peter over the issue of eating with Gentiles in Antioch.
I know you don’t see this as the same thing, but if you look at this situation from the perspective of someone who takes the New Testament commands about spiritual gifts as still applicable, it is hard for some of us to just dismiss the man who said these things as just spouting his own opinion. The Bible says, “Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things.” So I am careful not to speak against what the man said.
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Link.
Without getting into an extended back and forth. I have no doubt that the gift of prophecy operated during the first century as a safe guard against theological error. Once the word of God was written, however, and all the necessary apostolic revelation given for the church to function, there was no longer a need for the office of prophets. Hence, what you describe here for the first century does not exist now in the 21st century.
As to the charge that I am overreacting and I guess, by deduction, sinning against this fellow by calling him out as a liar, you have a nice, revisionist’s definition for the word lying. Look. I met the guy. Many of my friends met the guy. He was dishonest as to his intentions as to why he was at our church. He wormed his way into our fellowship and took advantage of folks hospitality and generosity.
He told us he was glad to be there so he could learn and grow in the faith. He told us he loved John MacArthur. He basically was dishonest as to his true reasons. At no time (and everyday since I posted that article, more people confirm my accusations) did his disagreement with our views of spiritual gifts become evident. He never mentioned it. Not until John was back in the pulpit after his summer vacation and he marched up the platform to confront him did anyone know he was that unhinged.
If you want to defend his shady character and his tasteless display of narcissistic “spirituality” I suppose that is your prerogative, but again, it just confirms to me that no amount of bizarro behavior can truly be dismissed by those holding to charismatic theology. Anything could be a work of God and to question it is possibly quenching the Holy Spirit.
There is much wrong in cessationist and charismatic circles. Both are guilty of attempting to correct wrong doctrine with error as a reaction against the first offense.
Error is not corrected by error!
This article makes the false assumption that he could not have apreciated John’s ministry and also rebuke him. That’s no contradiction. I love John MacArthur. I listen to him, read his works, learn from him, but I fully disagree with him on his strange fire ministry.
Second, the man never called him a heretic or any other harsh word. Only said his one particular teaching was in error.
Then invites sinners to repentance and ends by saying “God bless you people”. Doesn’t sound like an attack. Doesn’t sound that crazy.
I’m not saying he is or is not a prophet…. Only saying this article is full of bitter name calling and it’s a poor argument.
On the contrary Tim, the article points out the very real fact that if you are a prophet sent from God to rebuke a pastor, you don’t spend two months or more ingratiating yourself to the people of the Church, bumming off their good graces and kindness while all the time claiming you love and appreciate the pastor and are excited to be here to learn all you can.
The fact of the matter is that he portrayed himself in one manner just so he could worm his way among our people so he could have his little “Look at Me! I’m a prophet!” moment. Real prophets don’t lie about who they truly are. Surely you believe that, right?
fivepointer,
If he were a true prophet, it wouldn’t be wrong for him to receive hospitality, lodging, and food from members of the church. It wouldn’t be wrong for a street evangelist to do the same.
The issue coms down to whether he heard from God, right? If he was prophesying the truth, then the other stuff sounds okay. It’s kind of a circular argument to say he was a false prophet for living off of the brethren for a while, when it would have been okay for him to do so as a true prophet.
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Now I read this I wonder if I know this fella. We were out with Bill Adams from SFOI working the streets at the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow, when a Scottish lunatic with a sandwich board came around hollering the end is nigh. Not the kind of chap you could reason with.
Here’s the official video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8H4OG0ZGWI See if it is the same guy. And here is John MacArthur discussing the incident with friend at Ligonier, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FLRX7k3UtE
Not a lot of love here in these comments from ‘Christian’ brothers and sisters . . .
I watched the video over and over of John O’Neill’s outburst. I don’t know anything about this man. Where he is now or what he’s doing but . . . Yes – I do believe he was sent to John MacArthur. For that space in time. You’d better believe he was. And this will happen more and more in these last days as we get closer to the Lord’s coming. If God’s people will rise up and be obedient in these last days – more and more incidents will occur such as this. If we are not obedient – God will not be able to use us. Is the Lord pleased with the article above and the majority of the comments supporting it? I think not. Is God’s church a church ‘without spot or wrinkle’? I would say NO – we’re clearly not ready for the Lord’s appearing!! We should be ashamed of some of the comments made here! And DO NOT think that John MacArthur was not shaken by this confrontation! You watch him on the video – he’s listening! And well, he should have!! I would hope he would be SERIOUSLY considering it as a genuine Word – directly to him – from the Lord! We should all be considering the Lord’s correction! And not be ‘above’ His correction!! Pastor John MacArthur will be held accountable as a shepherd to not lead his flock ‘astray’. That responsibility should weigh heavy heavy on him!! And he HAS led astray – in this area. I’ve listened to Pastor MacArthur plenty and I’ve gleaned lots of good teaching from him and like him very very much. But that does not mean he’s been right in this area of present day gifts of the Holy Spirit and what God is wanting to do through His people today. You can be sure – God will call all of us to give an account! Be discerning people! Jesus himself lamented that they did not honour the prophets but instead killed them. Maybe we’d better listen closer to what God is telling us?! After reading all this I feel ashamed – ashamed of my family in Christ and discouraged. Ugly comments and then a ‘God Bless’ closure . . . Maybe we’d all better start listening to the Lord more and stop with our ‘own’ ideas . God’s people are grieving Holy Spirit – we are grieving Him .. . Let’s wake up before it’s too late. Tough times are ahead and we’re all going to need the presence of Holy Spirit – more than ever! May God take the scales from our eyes before it’s too late!